October 12, 2015

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome to DocTalk. We’re gonna have a great show today. It’s part two with Dr. Kip and Dr. Tom from Production Animal Consultation. We’re gonna talk about acclimating cattle to a new environment. We talked about weaning. Now we’re going to move to acclimating them to their new home, new place, maternal separation. Stay tuned and we’ll be back with more.

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(Dan) Welcome to DocTalk and gentlemen, welcome to the show. Thanks for sticking around and filming two of ’em. I know you’ve got a tight schedule, but what the heck. (Tom) Glad to be here. (Kip) Pleasure to be here. (Dan) It’s awesome to have you. Folks, this is Dr. Tom Noffsinger, Dr. Kip Lukasiewicz and they’re from Production Animal Consultation. And when you think about the impact that these two gentlemen have world wide on beef cattle health and on acclimation, low stress cattle handling, I know they both give a lot of credit to…and well deserved, to Mr. Bud Williams who worked with them. If you want to find more about Production Animal Consultation, they have a website that is pacdvms.com, so p-a-c-d-v-m-s-dot-com. Go to their website. Lots of great information. You can pick up their newsletters, understand who they’re working with, how you get in touch with them. Great organization. Veterinarians that are under the same beliefs, same work ethics, same integrity levels, and they’re global. Gentlemen, let’s talk about acclimating these calves coming into the feed yard. And they first come off, we’re gonna greet these cattle. Tell me how we get started. (Tom) Dan, it’s amazing how sensitive newly arrived cattle are. They are similar to a young child or a young puppy or a young calf. So when they arrive with an air of curiosity and little bit of sensitivity, the right people can immediately train those people… or train those cattle and demonstrate to those cattle that it’s the greatest place in the world to be. Our job is to make sure that we quickly convince cattle that where they have arrived to is a much better place than where they left. (Dan) You bet and it always amazed me how when you get a new pup or whatever, how they’ll actually trail you, not wanting to be lost. They’re looking to you for guidance and cattle can be the same. (Kip) Exact thing. Absolutely. When we first see cattle come into the feed yard and just like Dr. Tom says, you want to create the environment that is a better place than where they came from. So it’s like you going on vacation. You go to a five star resort there’s somebody right at the door there to greet you, right out of your vehicle. And we like to do the same in the feedyard, is we have greeter at the feed yard. We’ve gotta count the cattle anyway. So, we might as well put ourselves in a spot where those animals can see us coming off that truck and have that guidance and where to go. They’re coming in to an environment that they’re not certain of. So if they’re looking for leadership right off the bat, that’s that person. He or she can give ’em the guidance and show them where to be. (Dan) Yea, if somebody greeted you at a five star hotel with a whip in one hand and a hot shot in the other, screaming and hollering, you might react in a different way. (Kip) Or bed bugs, you know, dirty pen. (Dan) That’s right. (Kip) Absolutely, you’d go find a different hotel. (Dan) Go get the heck out of here and move on. Let’s take a break. When we come back, let’s kind of jump into some of the things. I know you’ve got some videos and examples of people doing it the right way and what cattle…things to read into the cattle, Folks, I don’t know about y’all, but for me to have these two gentlemen sitting next to me and sharing time with all of us, it’s absolutely wonderful. Hope you’re enjoying the show. We’re gonna take a break. After these messages we’re gonna come back with Dr. Kip and Dr. Tom here in just a minute.

(Dan) Hey folks welcome back to DocTalk. Dr. Dan Thomson here with Dr. Tom Noffsinger and Dr. Kip Lukasiewicz and they’re with Production Animal Consultation where you can find them on the website at pacdvms.com. Talking about acclimating those cattle and I know that we have some video here and basically Dr. Tom, Dr. Kip you want to kind of roll us into this video and what it is that we’re seeing, what we’re watching. (Tom) Alright. Our first concern used to be inventory and counting cattle. And as you watch a little bit of this footage of Cody greeting these new cattle. When I saw Cody doing this, I thought he was counting them. And I said, “Cody, how many were there?” And he said, “All of them.” He really wasn’t worried about how many. He was worried about placing himself where cattle could easily see him and he knew that cattle craved to see their source of guidance along with their destination. And he was there to greet these animals not up on a catwalk, but standing right down on the ground where they’re clearly visible to him. And then he used his position and his body movement to quickly direct those cattle so they were confident in where they were gonna be. (Dan) Wow. And I think it’s just amazing when you think about the paradigm shifts that have come over the last 15-20 years and you guys have been right in the thick of making these paradigm shifts, but it’s just absolutely amazing. (Kip) It is. And you know in that video Dr. Tom, Bud taught us a long time ago about cattle love to see what’s pressuring them or they just love to see guidance and they crave it. And you could see each one of those animals come off that chute and look at Cody every time. And you know, he shifted his hand. He wasn’t waving to the cattle. He was just guiding them, and say, over here. It’s just amazing. (Tom) And you can see the globe of that animal’s eye. You can see the animal change as he goes by Cody. So when you start thinking about how we interact with these animals, all of a sudden you find the receptors on these cattle. Once we’ve greeted ’em off that truck, then it’s important also to take stock of their instincts. As we took these cattle from this truck then you can see these cattle go to a scale. Here’s some footage of Ivan emptying the scale. And we used to let cattle go off a scale and just trail them down and push the into a pen. Now people like Ivan know that this is another chance to let the cattle go by you at the scale gate, and if you have the option rather than let them go into their new home, let them go by that gate. When animals stop, we all know that their instinct in seven seconds they’re gonna come back and then you’re in a perfect position to guide them into their new home. It’s just tiny, tiny little things like that, opportunities to teach cattle that they can come by you and go straight and when they go straight there is a clean water tank, there is a bunk full of long, grass hay, there is ration, there is bedding, there is sanitation. It’s a great way to create that five star resort that Dr. Kev talks about in Australia. (Kip) Absolutely. I think anytime you’re happy with your environment, the health of that animal is just going to be that much better in the long run. (Dan) Well, greeting those calves, having that clean receiving pen, comfortable place to lay down, get a big drink and not be worried about someone coming to chase you is huge for… probably as important as the vaccines that we’re gonna put in those calves. It’s a good place for us to take a break folks. When we come back we’re gonna talk more with Dr. Tom Noffsinger and Dr. Kip Lukasiewicz. You’re watching DocTalk and we’re sure glad that you joined us.

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome back to DocTalk. Dr. Dan Thomson here with Dr. Kip Lukasiewicz, Dr. Tom Noffsinger. They’re with Production Animal Consultation and you can find them on the website at pacdvms.com. So that’s p-a-c-d-v-m-s-dot-com. When we talked about… we’ve gotten the calves weaned, we’ve gotten them to the feed yard, we’ve greeted ’em, we’ve acclimated ’em, now we’re gonna take ’em to their home pen. So, let’s talk about the home pen acclimation. (Kip) So, Dan how those calves act once they get to their home pen, if those calves get to their home pen and they go up to the bunk because we have rations and we have hay and we have clean water. And they go up to the bunk and they eat and they go to the water tank and they drink, and if they sit there for a long period of time and they seem pretty content then your steps as far as continued acclimation or extra effort to get them settled in the pen, may be not as extensive, versus a pen where we look at these smoked calves that arrive and they’re circling. They go to the bunk, they take a couple nibbles of feed and then they start circling the pen trying to just get aware of what that pen is about. When we see opportunities like this, that’s where having that caregiver come in and do more extensive acclimation of settling those calves in the corners of the pen, showing ’em where those corners are, where that fence is, where the water tank is, where the bunk is and where’s the best place to lay down in this pen. I think that’s really important. That’s the important steps of acclimation. (Dan) So we see as those calves are moving around the pen and then we see Clint come in and intervene, right? (Tom) Yea, and I think Dan, what used to be a hopeless situation, when you’ve seen 200 animals in this state of panic, people would give up. When in truth all we have to do is fix two or three leaders within that group. So, getting this group of animals to travel as a herd, getting this group of animals to trust every square inch of their pen, it absolutely empowers them to eat, drink and rest. And so it’s… you respond to a situation and in your mind you’re thinking if I could spend maybe two-seven minute lessons within this pen, I could completely change what these animals are doing, and meet our expectations for the first 12 hours of arrival. (Dan) It’s also going in to change the impact that your vaccines have, the impact that the nutrition has. (Kip) Yea, calves that act like that, sending them through the chute within 24-48 hours to receive a vaccination, that would be a waste of time. You have 72 hours to get them properly vaccinated. So within that 72 hours if you can do that seven-ten minutes of time, two-three times of a day, for two days and get them actually settled and comfortable in their environment, get their cortisol level down so that they have a proper immune response, how much better will your vaccines work for you at that point in time. (Tom) In this video you can see Clint asking this group of smokey cattle to leave a corner and this is our method of pen riding these new cattle for the first two weeks. More than just random movement, they have been trained very, very quickly to go to their favorite corner and be willing to pass by and exhibit their state of health. And it just changes the world there in the feedlot. (Dan) Great, great extension of acclimation, bull pen riding. We’ll come back and we’ll wrap up this two week segment with Dr. Kip and Dr. Tom, right after these messages.

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome back to DocTalk. It’s been a joy to have Dr. Kip and Dr. Tom, Dr. Tom Noffsinger and Dr. Kip Lukasiewicz here with us on DocTalk and spending some time talking about weaning, talking about acclimating and we’re winding down the two week series but here’s a video Dr. Tom, of what it looks like when we get it right. (Tom) It’s just amazing Dr. Dan, when you think about the requirements for successful cattle transport and weaning. They’re pretty simple and they’re listed as hydration-water, food, rest and confidence. So whatever we can do to provide that most easily for these animals. Here’s a video. It was in a warm fall and the fact that these animals could not drink simultaneously, we elected to put extra water tanks. So, here are some beautiful Montana calves that have been on a 17-hour truck ride, and within hours they are willing to be quietly resting, willing to drink water out of a tank and starting to visit the bunk. (Dan) Yep. It’s amazing when you put the right process to work, people that understand the process and cattle that are willing to take the instruction, it can make a huge difference. (Kip) Oh yea and seeing Lockey he’s standing in that pen with those cattle at rest. I mean, again those cattle know he’s a natural predator, but just the level of trust that those calves have with him being in there. Doing that on foot, doing it on horse, doing it both ways are so important. Getting those cattle acclimated and adapted to both levels of guidance, if you will, is just so important. And those calves will consume feed like no other. (Dan) Yep. (Kip) At this point. (Tom) Dry matter intake I still have to pinch myself, Dr. Kip on how much feed these newly arrived cattle would eat. Twenty years ago if we met, if we had cattle consuming three or four pounds of grass hay and a little bit of ration we thought we were heroes. And now these creatures are willing to eat one and a half to three percent of their body weight as fed. It’s just amazing. (Dan) I think it’s amazing too that they need to make sure that if those calves are not consuming a percent and a half of their body weight by a week and a half on feed…a wreck’s inevitable. (Tom) We’re there. It’s really, really tough. (Kip) It’s inevitable, it’s inevitable. (Dan) Closing comments thoughts about? (Kip) I think just to have a successful weaning season, just an understanding of all the steps it takes from the day the calf is born. It’s not just something that happens at 205 days or 220 days at life. It starts at the very beginning when the calf is born. (Dan) Dr. Tom. (Tom) I think anytime a caregiver visualizes negative behavior in the animals, having the confidence that we would be able to find a solution for that as quickly as possible. (Kip) Absolutely. (Dan) Gentlemen, thanks for being on the show. But more importantly thanks for what you’ve done for me, what you’ve done for Kansas State, vets students across the country, veterinarians across the country and the producers that y’all serve. You really are servant leaders and we very much appreciate what you do for the beef industry on a day-to-day basis. (Tom) Thanks for letting us be here Dan. Thank you. (Kip) Thanks. (Dan) And thanks for watching DocTalk. Remember always work with your local veterinarian. And if you want to know more about what we do here at Kansas State you can find us on the website at www.vet.ksu.edu. I’m Dr. Dan Thomson. Thanks for watching DocTalk. And I’ll see you down the road.

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