August 22, 2016

(Dr. Dan Thomson) Hey folks, welcome to DocTalk. We are going to have a great show today. We will talk about vaccinating the cowdog. Many things you need to know about getting vaccinations whether it’s a young pup or whether it’s not so young, maybe it’s an experienced pup. Thanks for joining us. More after these messages.

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(Dan) Hey folks, welcome to DocTalk. I’m here with Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier, who is a veterinarian and a PhD in beef cattle production medicine. Since we are talking about cowdogs, we figured Dr. Hagenmaier, since he’s a veterinarian and a beef cattle production medicine specialist, to be able to talk about vaccines and different things to that nature. But Jacob brings a wealth of experience, a wealth of knowledge to veterinary medicine and we’re pleased to have him on the show. Someone that’s been a friend and a colleague for years and finally get you here and get you on the show and spend some time with us and some time with our viewers. It’s great to have you. (Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier) Excited to be here. (Dan) So let’s get into it. Folks, when you have a cowdog and you are thinking about, or any dog, whether it’s little Petey riding with you in your truck, you know days would be lonely without old Petey in the truck. We like to have our dogs and cats and think, well, at least our dogs with us. And so it’s kind of the core whether it’s cows or pigs or horses or dogs or humans. It’s kind of one of the basis for health. (Jacob) Right. And so when we think about developing a health program for our dog, it’s not too far off of what we think about developing health programs for cattle. And along with the benefits that your cowdog might provide you in cattle handling or other aspects of cattle production. It’s also setting up a long healthy life by creating an environment for a long healthy life for man’s best friend. So when we think of setting up vaccination programs, we wanted, there’s few factors that we want to take into consideration. One being exposure to pathogens and the risk of being exposed to those. And then also, what benefit does it provide. And so we think, just like cattle vaccination programs, we want to work closely with the veterinarian in developing these vaccination programs and take into consideration exposure. For instance, when we think of our cattle dogs in addition to the core vaccines, which I think, we’ll touch on a little bit here later in the program. Leptospira is a pathogen that cowdogs might have more exposure to due to being around standing water, compared to wildlife; versus Bordetella, which is more of a pathogen that you’re exposed to at boarding facilities. And so those are just a couple factors, just to show as an example of why you need to communicate with your veterinarian, when developing these vaccination programs. (Dan) And if you’re taking your dog to competitions, if you’re just going to be on the farm and they’re not exposed to much, then it’s a different set of vaccinations than one if you’re going to be the old suburban dog, that’s going to the kennel every other weekend or if you’re taking them to competitions and whether it’s agility or whether it’s herding competitions, cutting competitions, things to that nature, you’re going to have a different set and these vaccines folks, it isn’t so that we just prevent your dog from getting a cold. These are some crippling diseases that can cause the end of the line. (Jacob) Yes and in a very short time, depending on the disease too, so it’s imperative that we protect our cattle dogs against these diseases. (Dan) You bet. Folks we are going to take a break. We are going to come back with Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier. We’re going to get into the core vaccines recommended by the AVMA after these messages.

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome back to DocTalk. Dr. Dan Thomson here with Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier and we’re talking about vaccinations for the cowdog. Dr. Hagenmaier is a veterinarian. He is a friend and a colleague, we’re glad to get him in here and on the show, take time out of his busy schedule. But Jacob, when we get to talking about vaccines, the AVMA, obviously we’re going to work without local veterinarian. But the American Veterinary Medical Association has established what they call core vaccine recommendations for dogs. What exactly is a core vaccine or why do they call it a core vaccine? (Jacob) So the reason the AVMA distinguishes core versus non-core vaccines from a high level just between diseases that they’ve ability to be fatal, pose a significant public health risk, and just in general that the spread or the presence of the disease, its everywhere. Core diseases we think they’re everywhere, if we don’t vaccinate against them, the risk of acquiring that disease, and potentially being fatal is much greater than what we think of in our non-core vaccines. (Dan) So how many core antigens or diseases do we vaccinate for? (Jacob) So there’s four core AVMA recommended vaccines or antigens, and the four being rabies, distemper, adenovirus, and parvovirus. (Dan) Okay, well I think we’ve all heard of rabies, and rabies is one of those that is everywhere. Obviously severe clinical signs, we’ve all seen Cujo and the difficult things like that, but talk to me a little bit about rabies, and where it comes from, and what are the reservoirs. (Jacob) Well the important thing about rabies, first is we know it’s been around, we know it’s there, but we have an effective vaccine for it, and the wildlife, we know it’s transmitted through wildlife depending on region. On the east coast we tend to think of raccoons more being the reservoir, in the mid-west typically more the skunk, Texas getting further southwest, maybe the fox can be the reservoir but again – (Dan) Coyotes. (Jacob) Coyotes, yes. It can be multiple species of wildlife, but again we have an effective vaccine against it, and its everywhere. (Dan) You bet. Talk to me a little about distemper. It’s something that we’ve heard of, distemper in dogs, and distemper in cats forever. (Jacob) So distemper can cause an array of signs. It’s a little bit harder to pinpoint than a rabies type case, but you can see really high fevers, ocular or discharge from the eye and oral discharge, then also diarrhoea, and again an array of signs and potentially fatal in a very acute period. (Dan) Lets jump to parvo, because parvo obviously is one of those that’s very crippling that we talk about a lot, see it a lot, I can tell you parvo feces walking around the corner from the smell, but what is parvovirus? (Jacob) So parvovirus is a virus that attacks the gastrointestinal tracts of young puppies, and it is a nasty disease and as you just kind of touched on, the diarrhea can be very severe, they get very dehydrated in a short amount of time, and it’s imperative to get them on fluids, and again we have an effective vaccine against parvovirus, but poses a significant risk all across the country in young puppies. (Dan) Well it kind of goes back to, we’ve got rabies, we’ve got a respiratory virus of dogs that’s crippling, and a gastrointestinal virus that’s crippling, we have great vaccines against these, let’s take a break, when we come back we’ll talk about the schedule of these vaccines for your dog, not for you, after these messages.

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome back to DocTalk. Dr. Dan Thomson here with Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier, we’re here at Kansas State University where we’re talking about vaccinating your dog, and it’s something that’s very important, its core to the dog’s health. And working with your local veterinarian, working with veterinarians like Dr. Hagenmaier you’ll not only get the core vaccine recommendations from the AVMA, but other regional, or geographical deviations to those vaccines, or ones that might protect your dog to something that’s in the environment close to you, and we’ll talk a little bit about that. But, okay, we get a puppy, he’s six weeks old, what am I going to do Dr. Hagenmaier? (Jacob) Right, so just the very first thing I guess we’d say is, we don’t start vaccinating until six weeks to avoid interference with the antibodies that they get from the bitch through the milk, and so that’s when we typically start at six week, and at that time we start the distemper, the adenovirus, and then the parvovirus vaccinations. And what we do is we schedule those every three weeks, so that we get four rounds of vaccinations, and we do that in order since we don’t know exactly when the maternal antibodies will wane, in order to make sure we have vaccine on board for that puppy to build immunity to those pathogens and then we stop around week 16 of age. (Dan) So folks when you think about this, it’s no different than vaccinating your calves. You have colostrum from the cow that provides antibodies against IBR-BVD and things to that nature, and provides protection, and there can be maternal antibody interference. So if you vaccinate, which is actually giving the puppy the virus, and there’s antibodies circulating in the blood from the colostrum, it will actually attach to the vaccine and render it useless. So what you’re saying then is we’re going to start a six weeks, then go nine, 12, 15, because we don’t know where that maternal antibody’s going to drop off so that the vaccine will actually be effective. (Jacob) In that case, we cover our bases so that when that maternal antibody does, we’re there, and we have protection against those pathogens because the vaccine is on-board. (Dan) The flip-side of that is, a lot of people think that it’s boostering. It’s really not boostering, it’s trying to get the first vaccine to take and make sure we hit that window appropriately. (Jacob) That’s a good point. In addition to the vaccines up until 16 weeks of age, what we do the first year is we do a booster, an annual booster, and then after that depending on your veterinarian’s recommendations, you might not have to booster until every three years following that initial annual booster. But that annual booster is important. (Dan) The first vaccine for six, nine, 12, 15 is just the distemper parvo? (Jacob) Yes, and adenovirus. (Dan) And adenovirus. It’s all in the one vaccine. You can either get that at the veterinary clinic or you can buy that at the different farm stores, but one thing you need to aware of, though, about buying vaccine at farm stores, is making sure that there’s proper storage, proper transport of the vaccine, things to that nature. When do we give rabies vaccine? (Jacob) We give rabies at no earlier than 12 weeks of age. That’s a onetime shot with, again, similar to the other core vaccines and annual booster, and then repeat every one to three years. (Dan) Six, nine, 12, 15 for adeno, distemper parvo with the rabies being at 12 weeks, and then we’re going to come back, and booster annually both of those vaccines. Maybe three years depending on variation that – (Jacob) Yes, after that initial annual booster. (Dr. Dan) Right. You’re watching DocTalk. We’ll come and wrap up the show on vaccinating the dog after these messages.

(Dan) Hey folks, welcome back to DocTalk. Dr. Dan Thomson here with Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier. When you described the female cowdog– this is a PG show or G show– I was nervous where we were going with that, folks. But anyway, we don’t use that kind of language on this show, Jacob. Anyway, thanks for staying tuned. Thanks for watching this with us. We’re going to talk about three non-core vaccines, now, or antigens. And those are Lepto, Lyme disease, and Bordetella. Jacob, you talked about Lepto and cowdogs or dogs out in ponds and things to that nature. Why? (Jacob) Leptospira is a bacteria that’s passed in the urine of wildlife species, and it can be very fatal to our canines in causing renal disease or kidney disease. It’s a disease that can be fatal but opposed to the core vaccines, it’s one that’s a little more geographic dependent and also it’s more in, like our cowdogs, animals that are exposed to standing bodies of water. (Dan) Yes. The dog that’s in the city aren’t going to be exposed, maybe rats but then– let’s jump to Lyme disease This one is one that people get, the deer tick and things to that nature. Not only the vaccination but probably some tick preventative would be good for this too. (Jacob) Right. Again, going back to the health program, it doesn’t start or end with just vaccinations. It’s an order– keep everything in context and making sure we cover all our bases. Lyme disease is transmitted by ticks, typically on the East Coast, we think it’s a little bit more of a concern. But again an outdoor dog such as our cowdogs in wooded areas exposed to a lot of ticks, definitely something to consider and discuss with your local veterinarian. (Dan) Yes, it’s one of those that’s going to be specific to the vet clinic. You’re going to have to go in request the Lyme disease vaccine for your dog if you’re in a wooded area, if you’re in an area that Lyme disease is a concern to humans, it’s also a concern to dogs. And the last one, Bordetella, which is kennel cough. (Jacob) Right, so Bordetella typically we associate with boarding facilities. If you’re not keeping your dog in a boarding facility, this is a vaccine that maybe does not add a lot of benefit to you, and again, there’s always some risk with giving a vaccine, and so we don’t want to just give a vaccine just to give it. We need to keep it in context and weigh the risk and are we doing good by giving this vaccine. But for sure if you’re using boarding facilities, Bordetella is definitely one you’ll want to discuss with your veterinarian. (Dan) Absolutely, and not just if you’re using a boarding facility, but if you are showing your dog or if you’re taking it to competitions, you’re going to want to use Bordetella because it’s something that’s highly contagious from dog to dog, and make sure, it’s an easy vaccine too, its oral. Used to be in the nose, and it’s amazing how many times I got vaccinated for Bordetella when they’d sneeze it back at me after I’d give it, but I feel like I’m covered for kennel cough. (Jacob) There you go. (Dan) Well it’s a great show, I appreciate you being here. (Jacob) Thanks for having us, appreciate everything you do and everything the cattlemen do for our industry and our nation and I had a lot of fun being here. (Dan) You bet. Well folks, thanks for watching DocTalk. Dr. Jacob Hagenmaier and myself remember always work with your local veterinarian, and if you want to know more about what we do here at DocTalk, you can find us on the web at Be sure to check out our shop, you can buy coffee mugs and you can buy hats and T-Shirts and different things for that nature and support DocTalk. Thank for watching us today, I’m Dr. Dan Thomson, and I’ll see you down the road.

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